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Tenkinimai
- Dievas myli netobulą. Tad kodėl įsakė, "Būk tobulas"? Kodėl tai poreikių nulinis požiūris?
- Susieti tenkinimus su dorovės rėmais ir Foucault mintimis.
Jėzaus pasisakymai "Aš esu..."
- Smulkiau išnagrinėti Jėzus teiginius "Aš esu...", apie ką jisai kalbėjo Šventajame rašte.
- Kas yra dvasia? Ar tai, kas suteikia pilnumą, pilnatvę?
- Kaip Dievo ypatumai susiję su Jėzaus pasisakymais "Aš esu..."?
- Kaip Dievo ypatumai susiję su Dievo raiškomis ir Dievo šokiu?
Pasakojimas
- Kaip susiję poreikiai kaip nieko netroškimo neigimas, su jų pasireiškimu Palaiminimų laipsnynu, pasakojime?
Kūnas
- Ar kūnas iš esmės nesuderinamas su dvasia?
- Ar galima kūną suderinti su dvasia?
- O gal tik dalinai, gal tai amžina kova, amžinos brandos?
- Ar kūnui iš esmės trūksta lygsvaros, ar tai išreiškia kūno polinkis daugintis?
Savarankiškumas ir poreikiai
- Dievas savarankiškas, nieko netrokšta. Mūsų protai tiesiogiai nesuvokia nieko netroškimo. Tuomi nėra ką suvokti! Poreikiai neigia savarankiškumą, troškimą nieko. Tai išsako kūną, ir kaip dalį kūno, protą - psichiką. Taip išskiriamos pasąmonė su kūnu, ir sąmonė.
Poreikių laipsnyno istorija
- Abraham Maslow iškėlė penkis poreikius. Jo sekėjai juos papildė laisvės poreikiu. Nagrinėjant, įsijaučiant, apmąstant, išryškėja sandara 2x3 poreikiai, palaikanti laisvės poreikio pripažinimą.
Yra šeši poreikiai:
- gyvybės
- saugumo
- bendravimo
- vertės
- galimybės
- prasmės
Pasąmonės (kūno) ir sąmonės (proto) poreikiai
- Pirmi trys poreikiai yra kūno (pasąmonės) poreikiai. Kiti trys poreikiai yra psichikos, proto (sąmonės) poreikiai.
- Pasąmonė rūpinasi kūnu ir kraštutinumų vengimu, sąmonė rūpinasi dvasia ir kraštutinumų išskyrimu.
- The body seeks to survive. It also seeks security so that it survives tomorrow. Finally, it seeks acceptance (fulfillment of the social need), relevance to the greater context, which is the ultimate reason for surviving. Analogously, the mind has no life, no energy to live, except by its self-esteem (self-worth). It also seeks opportunity (freedom, independence) so that it has self-esteem tomorrow. Finally, it seeks self-fulfillment (life meaning), relevance to the greater context, which is the ultimate reason for self-esteem.
- Poreikių grandinė skiria kūną (išorinį gyvenimą) ir protą (vidinį gyvenimą). Šis skirtumas susijęs su klausimu Kodėl Kitas mąsto? Dievo valia palieka laisvą žmogaus vidinį gyvenimą.
- Kūno poreikiais esame įsitraukę ir įsikabinę į atsakymą, o dvasios poreikiais esame atsipalaidavę ir renkamės teiginį ar neiginį.
- Poreikius suprasti kaip tris pasąmonės ir tris sąmonės poreikius. Septintas požiūris (bendro žmogaus)(sąmoningumu) sieja trečią ir šeštą poreikį (irgi bendro žmogaus).
Trys lygmenys
- Išlikimas ir įsikibimas būdingas pasąmonei. Saugumo siekimas, rūpestis rytojumi, atsargų kaupimas yra būdingas veiklioms išvadoms (active inference), būtent sąmonei. Bendravimas, bendrumo palaikymas rūpinasi visuotinu ryšiu tarp išlikimo ir saugumo, tai būdinga sąmoningumui. Tad sąmoningumas yra bendruomeniškumo pagrindas.
- Pirmi trys poreikiai ir jų tenkinimai tai vysto pasąmonės pagrindu. Kiti trys poreikiai bei jų tenkinimai tai vysto sąmonės pagrindu. O sąmoningumas nepripažįsta asmeninės patirties nė asmeninės santvarkos, neskaido esamų ir būsimų rūpesčių, žinojimo ir numatymo, užtat rūpinasi kitu, bendruomeniškai, arba išgyvena poreikio nebuvimą.
Už santvarkos ir santvarkoje
- Poreikių laipsnyne pirmi trys poreikiai neapibrėžti, už santvarkos, o kiti trys žinojimo poreikiai apibrėžti santvarkoje. Tai primena gyvybės medį ir gėrio bei blogio pažinimo medį.
Poreikių trejybė
- Poreikiai rūpinasi savimi - pirmieji trys savasties nurodytu, antrieji trys savasties išsakytu. Yra savastis, tolydžioji savastis, netolydžioji savastis. (Palyginti su vienu, visybe, daugiu - daugyje sutampa nurodytasis ir išsakytasis).
- Savasties atžvilgiu: nusistatyti (rūpintis savastimi), vykdyti (tolydžiaja savastimi), permąstyti (netolydžiaja savastimi) - mat, gal peršokau į kitą žmogų! Visa tai yra pagrindas amžinajam gyvenimui, rinktis Dievą vietoj savęs.
Kūnas
- Disembodying mind. Lakoff visiškai apversti.
Paskiri poreikiai
Vertės poreikis
- vertės poreikis - brandos troškimas.
Aštuoniais dėsniais tenkiname Maslow laipsnyno poreikius
- 0. Be perfect
- 1. Cling to what you have
- 2. Get more than what you need
- 3. Avoid extremes
- 4. Choose the good over the bad
- 5. Choose the better over the worse
- 6. Strive for the best
- 7. Worry about the needs of another rather than your own.
Poreikių tenkinimai
- 3 malone: įsikibti, kaupti, išvengti kraštutinumų
- 3 teisingumu: rinktis gerą, geresnį, geriausią
Dievas už poreikių yra nepajudinamas taškas, tuo tarpu poreikių tenkininimas savo atžvilgiu ištisai keičia savastį.
In order to survive, we cling to what we have. We then want to survive tomorrow as well, so for security, we get more than what we need, which puts distance between us and our need for survival, because we can lose some of what we have, and cling to the rest. Finally, how can we help others survive? We avoid extremes - we don't rock the boat - so that others can cling to what they have. In order to have self-esteem, we choose the good over the bad, as each such choice is the source of our self-esteem. We then want self-esteem tomorrow as well, so we seek this opportunity by choosing the better over the worse. This puts distance between us and our need for self-esteem, because in choosing the better over the worse, both alternatives may be bad, or both may be good, so we don't have to think, just yet, that one is bad and the other is good. Finally, how can we help others find self-esteem? We strive for the best - we are extreme - so that others may readily decide that we are good or bad.
Įsidėmėdami tenkinimo būdus, galime įžvelgti juos iššaukiančius poreikius.
- For example, consider an "altruistic" person. Everything that we can observe will suggest how they are addressing their own needs. If they do good deeds because they "must be done", they address their own survival; if so that they would have done "more good deeds", they address security; if because this is what a "normal person does", they address acceptance; if to do "the right thing", they address self-esteem; if to "make things better" they address opportunity; and if to "seek perfection" they address self-fulfillment. But there are two other principles, which we do not observe in the world, but which we acknowledge in our heart, and which free us from our needs. One is to be perfect, to have no needs, which is the case with God. The other is to take up the needs of another, rather than our own, which is the only way we can ignore our own needs.
Neįmanoma stebėjimu įrodyti žmogaus nesavanaudiškumo
- Neįmanoma stebėjimu patvirtinti žmogaus nesavanaudišką elgesį - patvirtinti, kad jisai rūpinosi kito poreikiais arba tiesiog neturėjo poreikių - tačiau patys žinom apie save, kad tai yra įmanoma, kad rūpinamės kitais. Ir tikime, kad kiti gali būti tobuli, be poreikių.
Poreikių tenkinimų tikslas
- Poreikių tenkinimai telkia dėmesį į ribą.
- Operating principles let us go beyond ourselves as to whether we care, they let us take the perspective that lacks nothing. We thereby care about our own unity, which manifests itself as our relationship with God.
Iš proto poreikių tenkinimo į kūno poreikių tenkinimus
Šešerybės išsakytu įsisavinimu pereiname iš proto poreikių tenkinimo į kūno poreikių tenkinimą
- tikėjimas ir įsikibimas, ištikimybė ir gero pasirinkimas
- rūpėjimas ir kaupimas, pareiga ir geresnio pasirinkimas
- susilaikymas ir kraštutinumų vengimas, teisingumas ir geriausio pasirinkimas
Sąmonės poreikių tenkinimas
- Gerumas iškyla sąmonės poreikių tenkinimais. Good is Not Wishing-for-nothing, and is expressed by responses to needs.
- Mąstymas pasirinkimų (geras, geresnis, geriausias) gal iškyla mąstant iš karto dvi skirtingas galimybes, du skirtingus požiūrius, tarp jų renkantis.
Pasąmonės poreikiai išreiškia turėjimą (įsikibimą), o sąmonės poreikiai išreiškia buvimą (pasirinkimą, vertinimą). Palyginti su Erich Fromm Turėti ar būti?
Paskiri tenkinimai
Paskiri tenkinimai
- Būk tobulas - neturėk poreikių - būk besąlygiškas. Nebandyti būti tobulu, o tiesiog būti tobulu.
- Kraštutiniškumas leidžia kitiems suvokti, kokios galimybės, kad yra kažkas daugiau už santvarkos. Užtat kraštutiniškumo reikia labai nedaug.
Poreikių tenkinimais rinkti padalinimo atvaizdus
Poreikių tenkinimai: rinkti atvaizdą:
- būti tobulu - rinkti kurį nulybės atvaizdą?
- įsikibti - rinkti kurį vienybės atvaizdą?
- kaupti - rinkti kurį dvejybės atvaizdą?
- vengti kraštutinumų - rinkti kurį trejybės atvaizdą? (ar poslinkį?)
- rinkti gerą vietoj blogo - rinkti iš ketverybės atvaizdų (ar ašių?)
- rinkti geresnį vietoj blogesnio - rinkti iš penkerybės atvaizdų (ar ašių?)
- rinkti geriausią - rinkti iš šešerybės atvaizdų (ar ašių?)
- rūpintis kitu - rinkti malonę vietoj teisybės
Jėzaus pasisakymai Aš esu.
šv.Jono evangelijoje yra aštuoni Jėzaus pasisakymai, "Aš esu..." Apie juos sužinojau iš Ivy League Tutoring vadovo Adrian Hunter.
Jėzaus pasisakymais "Aš esu..." renkamės tenkinimus taikyti ryšium su Dievu vietoj savęs, tad gyventi malone vietoj, kad teisybe.
Renkamės savarankiškąjį Dievą vietoj savęs, amžiną gyvenimą vietoj gyvenimo, kurių pagrindu tenkiname poreikius. Taip skiriame Dievo ir savo požiūrius. Dievo požiūriu randame išplėstą laipsnyno supratimą, pradedantį šlove.
The gospel of John contains eight statements by Christ of the form "I am...", the eighth being "I AM", alluding to Jahwe, the name God revealed to Moses. 0. I am. 1. I am the resurrection and the life. 2. I am the gate for the sheep. 3. I am the way, the truth and the life. 4. I am the good shepherd. 5. I am the light of the world. 6. I am the true vine. 7. I am the bread of life. They express how we may apply our operating principles absolutely - with respect to God, the entirety - rather than relatively, with respect to ourselves.
- "I AM". How can I have no needs, and be perfect? Only with respect to the entirety.
- "I am the resurrection and the life". I have a need for life, and so I cling to what we have. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the glory of the entirety, which gives absolute life. Not only to live, but to overcome death. "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. Father, glorify thy name."
- "I am the gate for the sheep". I have a need for security, and so I get more than what I need. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the intention of the entirety, which gives absolute salvation. Not only blessed within the gate, but blessed to go out and come back. "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."
- "I am the way and the truth and the life". I have a need for acceptance, and so I avoid extremes, I behave normally. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the example of the entirety, which provides an absolute home. "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
- "I am the good shepherd". I have a need for self-worth, and so I choose the good over the bad. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the love of the entirety, the source of absolute value. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
- "I am the light of the world". I have a need for opportunity, and so I choose the better over the worse. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the works of the entirety, which give its absolute message. "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."
- "I am the true vine". I have a need for self-fulfillment, and so I strive for perfection. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the command of the entirety, which gives absolute fruit. "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you."
- "I am the bread of life". I have needs, but do not worry about them, if I worry about the needs of somebody else. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the will of the entirety, which gives absolute relationship. "And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
These statements question the logic of our concern for ourselves. They embolden us to live our lives with respect to the entirety. They challenge us to live with faith with regard to the entirety. When I read the gospel of John, I think he was the disciple very close to Christ, who cared to note how Christ himself thought about these things.
Vartai avims
- I thought about the gate for the sheep, having life and to the fullest. I think now that the pen is heaven, and that we are saved by entering in, but to live to the fullest we go out to pasture, into the world. We are born again if we choose therefore to go out to the world. If we are in the spirit, then we are like the wind, nobody knows if we are coming or going, in this regard - are we rising above the world, or are we engaging it.
They all seem to speak of eternal life as God's going beyond himself.
Malonė vietoj teisybės.
God is always connected to us, but we are not always connected to him, and not necessarily for any fault of our own. I have a sense when I have a connection with God, and when I don't. I doubt that we're designed to have connection with God all the time, we're designed to turn our attention over to other things as well. I don't find there being something inherently wrong not to be connected with God, although it often happens that I feel there's something wrong and that I should run to him, and he is there. Certainly Christ had a will distinct
from God's, and even at odds with God, although he always chose God
over himself. "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my
Father". I'm thinking about Christ on the cross, and also his
temptation in the wilderness. In the latter case, the Spirit was with
him. I don't know if the Father was with him or not, I suppose he
was, for he prayed. At all these times I expect he prayed, but
whether God was with him, I don't know. Also, with the psalm, "God
why have you abandoned me?", it's hard to say what level he is reading
it on. Is he living it, or is he reading it? If he is living it,
then I'd say he's abandoned. If he's just citing it, I think that at
least he's sympathetic with the position. If he's sympathetic, I
think it's because it's real, and if it's real, I think he suffers
this, for this makes his suffering more real, more to the point. The
fact that he's abandoned does not diminish God, but rather glorifies
him. So certainly he was abandoned.
Another issue, I guess the same issue, is that just as God gives
himself up in every way, making way for others, so he has children who
do likewise, but he has a Son who he gives up. That is, the Father
behaves towards his Son in a way that is above and beyond how he
behaves towards himself. The Father gives up himself of his own, but
the Son is given up by the Father. That is why there is drama. The
Son is always with the Father, but the Father has given up the Son.
It is up to the Son to justify the Father. The Son takes up this work
from the Father, and thereby glorifies the Father. And the Father has
a vested interest that people believe in the Son, for otherwise there
is no justification for the Father. So this is the Father's work, to
make good of his action towards his Son. For the Son has made good of
what the Father has done. The Son makes true the Father - that just
as the Father give himself up, so does the Son give himself up, even
as the Father has given up the Son.
This outlook intensifies for me what is going on, increases my empathy
for the Son, and the glory of the Father. Just as the Father gave up
his Son, so he gave over to the Son all things that on him they
depend, that he make true the Father.
Jėzaus pasisakymai "Aš Esu..."
I Am
- God is the one who is first.
- "I am" before there is anything to be.
Jesus say, "I AM", which is about looking to God. How can I have no needs, and be perfect? Only with respect to the entirety. Rather than love (1 perspective), we can simply look to God (0 perspectives).
I am the resurrection and the life
- the glory of God = the Word = the Son = the coherence of everything = the Godness of everything
- the Word is that through which everything arose, and without it arose nothing, which has arisen
- the Father = the coherence of God = the Godness of God
- the Spirit = the coherence of coherence = the Godness of Godness
- the Father is the Son is the Spirit
- the Father seeks those who worship in spirit and in truth
- it is nothing to glorify oneself
- the Father seeks to glorify the Son
- glorify the Father = complete the work that he gave to the Son
- glorify the Son = have the glory which we had with the Father before the world began, for the Father always grants the Son what he wants
- Christ was not there, allowed death, so they might believe
- resurrection allows belief
- whoever has in them love of God, accepts his messenger, and seeks the glory that comes only from God
- whoever keeps Christ's words will not taste death ever
eternal life = to know God the Father and Jesus ("with God") who he has sent
- eternal life = coherence without bounds
- life = the coherence of anything = coherence within bounds
- anything is that which observes everything
- the coherence of anything is that which knows the coherence of everything (?)
- The Holy Spirit is the spirit of truth, that we are one. * The truth is the fact that we can give ourselves up for each other. Coherence is the unity of representations. Coherence is Godness. But what is the relationship between coherence, spirit, truth and glory?
In what sense is God love? and supports life? especially as a onesome? It seems there is a wholeness of the one perspective. That one perspective is the Son, the wholeness is ?
Jesus says, "I am the resurrection and the life", which is about looking to God's glory. I have a need for life, and so I cling to what we have. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the glory of the entirety, which gives absolute life. Not only to live, but to overcome death. "Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. Father, glorify thy name." We can simply love, whether or not we are in the world or above it,
connected to God or on our own, whether or not God exists. In this sense, God is love. Instead of focusing on reaching out (2
perspectives), we focus on loving (1 perspective).
I am the gate for the sheep
- God's intention = eternal life = to have life, and to the fullest (= that we engage the world, that we might rise above the world)
- the pasture = heaven = what God wants for us
- find pasture = to have life to the full
- the pen for the sheep = the world
- be saved = to have life in this world = the kingdom of heaven = where what you believe is what happens
- to be born = to become tangible, in the flesh = to go through the gate = to come from heaven into the world
- to be born again = to come into the world as spirit, to choose to be in the world (= engage the world)
- to be spirit = to be like the wind = to go where you please, nobody knowing where you came from, and where you are going (= rise above the world)
- The gate for the sheep is having life and to the fullest. I think now that the pen is heaven, and that we are saved by entering in, but to live to the fullest we go out to pasture, into the world. We are born again if we choose therefore to go out to the world. If we are in the spirit, then we are like the wind, nobody knows if we are coming or going, in this regard - are we rising above the world, or are we engaging it.
Jesus says, "I am the gate for the sheep", which is about looking to God's intention. I have a need for security, and so I get more than what I need. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the intention of the entirety, which gives absolute salvation. Not only blessed within the gate, but blessed to go out and come back. "I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." We can rise above life, but also engage it. Instead of focusing on pursuing God's concerns (3 perspectives), we focus on reaching out (2 perspectives).
I am the way, the truth and the life
- example = comes from above, from heaven
- give example = show how to do, so that it would be done
- the higher = who gives the example
- the lower = who can, at best, reproduce the example
- the higher speaks from what is given above, for the glory of the one above
- the lower speaks from itself, for its own glory
- A prophet has no glory among his own people (for they are his equals).
- God teaches by being the example
- man teaches by "raising" the example
- Son = child taught by the father
- Son of God = taught by God
- Son of Man = taught by Man
- the Father teaches the world = The Father attracts to the Son = giving the Son to the world to "raise" as an example = they come to the Son = the world is forced to acknowledge that the Son loves the Father and does as he commands = the Son takes what is given to him from heaven = they are chosen ahead of time
- offended by this wrong = believe = saved
- not offended by this wrong = not believe = already condemned
- accept the example = live
- the Father sends out the messenger of truth (sends the example)
- the Son is that by which they believe (is the example)
- the Spirit is that which holds them together in faith (keeps the example)
- the Father = the highest (= going beyond himself?)
- nobody sees the Father
- only the Son reveals the Father
- descended from heaven = to be "taught" by Man
- rise to heaven = be the Son of Man
- to go to the Father = to go beyond oneself (= to give oneself up) = to make way for others
- cannot go to the Father until the Son goes = cannot make way for others until the Son shows how to make way for others
- only the Son is the way
- to know Christ = to understand that he is good = to understand that the Father is good
- to not believe Christ = to die in one's sins
- to believe that he is = ?
- the Father loves the Son = the Father gives the Son the Spirit without measure
- the Spirit of Truth = the Caretaker = keeps the believers together in the dark, explains all, leads to truth, and shows the world, that it is mistaken, for they are one in their love
- accept the Holy Spirit - to forgive or not forgive sins
- the last day = they will have joy and it will not be taken away = whatever they ask of the Father he will give them = the day of the Son = the Son will speak without parables = will speak plainly about the Father = those doing good will rise up for life = those doing bad will rise up for judgement
What is the Spirit? It is a gift from the Father to the Son. What is this gift?
The gift of God is eternal life.
Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth and the life", which is about looking to God's example. I have a need for acceptance, and so I avoid extremes, I behave normally. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the example of the entirety, which provides an absolute home. "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." We can take up God's concerns by obeying - doing as he says, believing - following one who does as he says, or caring - wanting to go in the direction that he does. In this way we do God's will. Instead of focusing on behaving as friends (4 perspectives), we focus on pursuing his concerns (3 perspectives).
I am the good shepherd
- The Father loves the Son = is one with the Son = the Son stays in the home forever = the Son freely gives up his life for others
- to give up oneself = to die = to hate one's own life = to give fruit
- the hour = the one who listens to the Father is left alone = glorify his name that they believe
- ask of oneself, not of others (be interested in the truth)
- the spirit of truth = that we are one
- sheep = those who value truth
- lamb of God = listens to God's voice = destroy the sin of * the world = on him comes down and remains the Holy Spirit = he baptizes in the Holy Spirit
- the sheep listen to his voice
- Christ = the voice
- Christ came into the world to witness truth
- god = the one to whom is given God's word (= to have coherence = to have Godness)
- come to the Son = be given by the Father
- the Son frees = the Son gives truth which, when we know, it sets us free
- the good shepherd = lives for the sheep = the one who cares for his sheep = the one who loves God
- the truth = the fact that one can give oneself up for others = the power to become children of God
- be child = do the father's works = be able to listen to words thought up by the father = love the one who comes from the father
- the sheep are one = they listen to one voice
- the world believes for they are one in the Father and the Son (that the Father sent the Son)
- the Father = higher than everything
- be of God = keep God's word = not sin = keep Christ's teaching = know the truth = be free
- not to be of God = not to keep God's word = sin = be slave to sin
- hired hand = lives for himself = does not give up himself = man
- the Devil = the father of lie
Jesus says, "I am the good shepherd", which is about looking to God's love. I have a need for self-worth, and so I choose the good over the bad. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the love of the entirety, the source of absolute value. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." We can "love our enemy" as believers in God, who are able to have an enemy but nevertheless love them. To love our enemy is to behave with them just as we would with our friends. Jesus says our friends are those who understand our commands and follow them, our servants do not understand our commands but follow them, and I suppose that our enemies do not follow our commands, the bigger ones understanding them, the smaller ones not. So we can behave to all the same, as God who sends his rain on the good and the bad, and his sun likewise. We give up our life for our friends, and the principles of our friendship. Our friendship is based on openness. Instead of focusing on cocreation (5 perspectives), we can focus on behaving as friends (4 perspectives).
I am the light of the world
- the work of God = to believe the one he sent
- people believe when they see the truth, they believe the one who knows the truth, that he is come from God
truth = the fact that one can give oneself up for others
- Christ shows the works of God
- the one who wants to do the will of God will recognize the Son from that, does he look for his own glory, or does he care about the glory of the one who sent him, does he do the work of God
- whoever sees the light, sees that from where it comes = whoever accepts the Son, accepts the Sender = whoever accepts the Son's word, accepts God's intention, what to declare
- the glory of God = eternal life
- God's intention = eternal life
- the trial judges, who did not accept the light, that their deeds may not be seen, and who did, that it become clear that their deeds were done in God = those who see "in the dark" will be blinded by the light, and those who stumble in the dark will see.
- the poor = lost in the darkness
- while there is light, it is day, work must be done = while Christ is in the world, must believe in Christ, to become children of light, and spread the faith, so they can look for the light even when the light is gone
- the Spirit of Truth = the Caretaker, the Holy Spirit, which the world does not see, but which takes care through the night and all ages
- the Spirit of Truth will teach all things to those who believe
- the light of people = life
- the light of life = ? (life or truth?)
Jesus says, "I am the light of the world", which is about looking to God's work. I have a need for opportunity, and so I choose the better over the worse. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the works of the entirety, which give its absolute message. "I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world." God is a creator, that is his work. We are children of God in that we do what he does, we are cocreators. We remake the world by choosing the truth of the heart over the truth of the world, and thereby creating a community of the truth of the heart. Instead of focusing on the commandments (6 perspectives), we can focus on being cocreators (5 perspectives).
I am the true vine
- the command = to love each other (as Christ loves) = to give up one's life for one's friends
- friends = those who accept and obey the command
- to keep the command = to stay in love = to love = to keep the word = to be cleaned
- the branches that give fruit = those who remain in Christ = the students of Christ
- the branches that do not give fruit = those who do not remain in Christ = they will be pruned
- the branches = the people
- the vine = the Son
- the gardener = the Father
Jesus says, "I am the true vine", which is about looking to God's command. I have a need for self-fulfillment, and so I strive for perfection. If I wish to do so absolutely, then I do so with respect to the command of the entirety, which gives absolute fruit. "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you." This brings together the six ways of expressing "Love your neighbor as yourself", and also redundantly, positively the four ways of expressing "Love God". Instead of living directly, in a scattered manner (7 perspectives), we can focus on the commandments (6 perspectives).
I am the bread of life
- the gift of God = eternal life
- the spirit gives life
- the flesh gives nothing
- to accept God's gift = believe
- to accept God's gift from Christ = to believe in Christ
- the will of God = that every one who sees the Son and believes in him have eternal life
- eternal life = to live forever (= to share in God's eternal work, that Christ allows us to complete, through the Spirit) = to take what Christ gives from God = to remain in Christ, and Christ in him = to eat his body, drink his blood (= to take what was his ("bread") to have ("was meant to become his body") that he has chosen to give to us instead) = to accept the gift of God that he brings, bread from heaven = to accept the water that Christ gives
- the Son's food = do the will of the one who sent me, and complete his work
- to give God's gift = to give up the flesh, that the world may live
- Christ's gift = truth = the fact that one can give oneself up for others
- Christ's words = spirit and life
- to accept Christ's gift = to have a fount of truth to eternal life
- Stebuklai yra "vaikų duona, šunyčiams nemetama", kuriais Dievo vaikams atsiveria galimybė tikėti, tad tai yra gyvenimo duona.
- "Ašaromis mintu dieną naktį; visą dieną žmonės manęs klausinėja: "Kurgi tavo Dievas?" (Psalmė 42)
Jesus says, "I am the bread of life", which is about looking to God's will rather than our own. Taking up the needs of others, rather than our own. "This is my flesh", he said of the bread he gave, because the only thing that had kept the bread from becoming his flesh was that he gave the bread to others that it become their flesh. "This is my blood" he said of the wine. The first outlook is the fact of life itself, that it is a gift. This is the fact that life is unquestionably good. This is related to the will, and how it brings together the expressions of the will, only if they look to the whole. I think it somehow brings together seven perspectives, and occurs through the seventh members of the injections of the primary structures.
Kitas: Aš esu gyvybės vanduo.
- Aš esu gyvybės vanduo. Tai ramybė, kada lūkesčių nereikia, gyvename už šio pasaulio, už lūkesčių ir įtampų, už troškimų.
Visko padalinimais viskas vystosi iš pradų. O kitomis sandaromis viskas susiveda, viskas deri, susidera. Tarp jų yra Jėzaus pasisakymai, "Aš esu..."
- I think they are organized by the "I am..." statements of Jesus, and they can be considered in reverse order, so that each expresses coherence with fewer and fewer perspectives, getting down to the core essence of life, which has zero perspectives, and is God, "I AM". Perfection, I suppose. I imagine that this is related to the outlook that you've been expressing.
- So here is a sketch of what I think are the core outlooks that express the essence of life, by which it coheres. Consider life as having unfolded from everything by means of an operation +1, which contributes definitions by means of the division of everything. The eight divisions yield four primary structures and six secondary structures that express all of life.
- Ar keturi netroškimai ir šešios atjautos deri? Now there are eight outlooks that don't collapse life, but rather, allow it to hold together. They are perhaps related by an operation -1, which describes what is good. Jėzus juos išsako pasisakymais "Aš esu..."
"I have yet many things to tell you, but you can't bear them now.
16:13 However when he, the Spirit of truth, has come, he will guide
you into all truth, for he will not speak from himself; but whatever
he hears, he will speak. He will declare to you things that are
coming. 16:14 He will glorify me, for he will take from what is mine,
and will declare it to you. 16:15 All things whatever the Father has
are mine; therefore I said that he takes of mine, and will declare it
to you."
"Now my soul is troubled. What shall I say? 'Father, save me from this
time?' But for this cause I came to this time. 12:28 Father, glorify
your name!"
"Neither did this man sin, nor his parents; but, that the works of God
might be revealed in him"
"Most certainly I tell you, everyone who commits sin is the
bondservant of sin. 8:35 A bondservant doesn't live in the house
forever. A son remains forever. 8:36 If therefore the Son makes you
free, you will be free indeed."
"Yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me."
"You would have no power at all against me, unless it were given to
you from above. Therefore he who delivered me to you has greater sin."
Laipsnynas grindžiantis "Aš esu..."
With regard to the good, we get needs:
- survival is glory of good
- security is intent of good
- acceptance is example of good
- self-esteem is love of good
- opportunity is work of good
- self-fulfillment is command of good
Aplinkybės: būtina, tikra, galima
Nieko troškimas pasireiškia būtinumu-tikrumu-galimumu. Neigimas pasireiškia skirtumu tarp buvimu už santvarkos ir santvarkoje.
| be santvarkos | santvarkoje |
būtina | šlovė | meilė |
tikra | tikslas | darbas |
galima | pavyzdys | įsakymas |
At the heart of each statement I think there is a different concept, each of which is eternal life.
Pastebėjau, kad "eternal life" is identified with the glory of God, and also the intention of God. So I imagine that it might be identified with all of the following...
- God's glory "I am the resurrection and the life"
- God's intention "I am the gate for the sheep"
- God's example "I am the way, the truth and the life"
- God's love "I am the good shepherd"
- God's work "I am the light of the world"
- God's command "I am the true vine"
- God's will "I am the bread of life"
- God's glory is his Word, the Son, the coherence of everything, the Godness of everything, that through which everything arises.
- God's intention is to be worshipped in spirit and truth, that we have life and to the fullest, rising above the world but also engaging it.
- God's example comes from above, from heaven, to show how to do, that it might be done, for the glory of the one above.
- God's love is that his Son (the one who does what the Father does) is always with him, but he is not always with his Son, so that just as he gives himself up, so he gives up his Son, so that his Son might give himself up.
- God's work is to believe the Son that he sent, and accept that he is from God, does God's work for the glory of God. And I think, to believe that God is loving even in giving up his Son, that he is truly God in doing so.
- God's command is to love each other, give oneself up for those who love each other, make way for each other to give oneself up.
- God's will is that every one who sees the Son and believes in him have eternal life. Eternal life is to do the work of God that the Son allows us to complete through the Holy Spirit, this work of giving way for each other.
Širdies ir pasaulio tiesomis renkamės iš keturių lygmenų
Each of the needs relates two perspectives. The responses to needs are operating principles which discriminate between the two perspectives, which is from the heart, and which is from the world? We may think of the gradation of needs as connecting choices of the heart and the world, and thereby providing interpretations for the operating principles in terms of the heart and the world.
- For three of the needs (the physical needs) the choices are between accepting them, or thinking of them in terms specifically in terms of the questions whether - what - how, and thereby in terms of the topologies - necessary - actual - possible. This determines whether the operating principles are applied broadly (with regard to God, as in the "I am" questions) or narrowly.
- Likewise, for the other three needs, the heart chooses the broader perspective (amongst whether - what - how), so for example, the heart chooses "the good" (the what of self-esteem) over "the bad" (the whether of self-esteem), and "the better" (the how of opportunity) over "the worse" (the whether of opportunity), and "the best" (the how of self-fulfillment) over "the rest" (the what of self-fulfillment). Note that the social need may be thought of as picking out the slack that is above and beyond our own survival needs and is inherent in part of our need for security, the surplus which security builds up is the slack that we can share.
Neigiamais Dievo įsakymais gerbiame poreikius
Poreikiai Dievo šokyje sustato dešimt Dievo įsakymus
- Nežudyk - negriauti gyvybės
- Nevok - negriauti saugumo
- Nesvetimauk - negriauti bendrumo
- Nemeluok - negriauti vertės
- Negeisk svetimo daikto - negriauti laisvės
- Negeisk svetimo žmogaus - negriauti prasmės
Dievo ypatumai
Jėzaus pasisakymuose "Aš esu..." glūdi Dievo ypatumai, išreiškiantys amžinąjį gyvenimą, kaip Dievo išėjimą už savęs. Būtent kas, kiekvienu atveju, išeina už savęs?
God's glory "I am the resurrection and the life"
- God's Glory: that his Coherence go beyond him. (not only God has coherence, but so does everything)
- God's glory is his Word, the Son, the coherence of everything, the Godness of everything, that through which everything arises.
God's intention "I am the gate for the sheep"
- God's Intention: that his free Spirit go beyond him. (we are "born again" when we choose to go out in the world and engage it)
- God's intention is to be worshipped in spirit and truth, that we have life and to the fullest, rising above the world but also engaging it.
God's example "I am the way, the truth and the life"
- God's Example: that his Activity go beyond him. (as the Father does, so does the Son - he comes from above)
- God's example comes from above, from heaven, to show how to do, that it might be done, for the glory of the one above.
God's love "I am the good shepherd"
- God's Love: that his Giving-himself-up go beyond him. (the Father gave himself up, made way for everything, of his own will - but he likewise gives up his Son, who is sent of his Father's will, not his own)
- God's love is that his Son (the one who does what the Father does) is always with him, but he is not always with his Son, so that just as he gives himself up, so he gives up his Son, so that his Son might give himself up.
God's work "I am the light of the world"
- God's Work: that his Belief go beyond him. (the Father is justified if truly the Son likewise gives himself up, and there is belief that the Father and the Son are one)
- God's work is to believe the Son that he sent, and accept that he is from God, does God's work for the glory of God. And I think, to believe that God is loving even in giving up his Son, that he is truly God in doing so.
God's command "I am the true vine"
- God's Command: that his Loving-each-other go beyond him. (as the Father makes way for the Son, and the Son makes way for the Father, so the Son makes way for us to make way for each other)
- God's command is to love each other, give oneself up for those who love each other, make way for each other to give oneself up.
God's will "I am the bread of life"
- God's Will: that his Work go beyond him. (the drama of the justification of the Father's giving up his Son is to come across regardless of how one comes to see and believe)
- God's will is that every one who sees the Son and believes in him have eternal life. Eternal life is to do the work of God that the Son allows us to complete through the Holy Spirit, this work of giving way for each other.
There seems to be an operation +2 here, where God's X+2 is that God's X go beyond him. That might make sense if it could be related to expectations and emotional responses.
Dievas turi ryšį su mumis, o mes nevisada turime ryšį su juo, ir tai yra mums būdinga
- God is always connected to us, but we are not always connected to him, and not necessarily for any fault of our own. I have a sense when I have a connection with God, and when I don't. I doubt that we're designed to have connection with God all the time, we're designed to turn our attention over to other things as well. I don't find there being something inherently wrong not to be connected with God, although it often happens that I feel there's something wrong and that I should run to him, and he is there. Certainly Christ had a will distinct from God's, and even at odds with God, although he always chose God over himself. "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father". I'm thinking about Christ on the cross, and also his temptation in the wilderness. In the latter case, the Spirit was with him. I don't know if the Father was with him or not, I suppose he was, for he prayed. At all these times I expect he prayed, but whether God was with him, I don't know. Also, with the psalm, "God why have you abandoned me?", it's hard to say what level he is reading it on. Is he living it, or is he reading it? If he is living it, then I'd say he's abandoned. If he's just citing it, I think that at least he's sympathetic with the position. If he's sympathetic, I think it's because it's real, and if it's real, I think he suffers this, for this makes his suffering more real, more to the point. The fact that he's abandoned does not diminish God, but rather glorifies him. So certainly he was abandoned.
Dievas, išeidamas už savęs, atsisako savęs, ir Sūnus taipogi.
- Just as God gives himself up in every way, making way for others, so he has children who do likewise, but he has a Son who he gives up. That is, the Father behaves towards his Son in a way that is above and beyond how he behaves towards himself. The Father gives up himself of his own, but
the Son is given up by the Father. That is why there is drama. The Son is always with the Father, but the Father has given up the Son. It is up to the Son to justify the Father. The Son takes up this work from the Father, and thereby glorifies the Father. And the Father has a vested interest that people believe in the Son, for otherwise there is no justification for the Father. So this is the Father's work, to make good of his action towards his Son. For the Son has made good of what the Father has done. The Son makes true the Father - that just as the Father give himself up, so does the Son give himself up, even as the Father has given up the Son.
This outlook intensifies for me what is going on, increases my empathy for the Son, and the glory of the Father. Just as the Father gave up his Son, so he gave over to the Son all things that on him they depend, that he make true the Father.
Jėzaus 8 pamokymai
Ką randi, tą myli... ir t.t.
- Power distance (gyvybės)
- Long term or short term orientation (saugumo)
- Relationships (bendravimo)
- Indulgence vs. restraint, are people fundamentally good or bad (vertės)
- Competitive attitudes - gender roles (laisvės)
- Uncertainty avoidance (prasmingumo)
Christer Nylander, Curious Listening Dialogue
Poreikiai | Jane Loevinger | Lawrence Kohlberg | Robert Kegan | Jean Piaget |
gyvybė | Impulsive (E2) | | | |
saugumas | Self-Protective (E3) | | | |
bendravimas | Conformist (E4) | | | |
vertė | Self-Aware (E5) | | | |
laisvė | Individualistic (E7) | | | |
prasmė | Autonomous (E8) | | | |
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