Mintys.Santvarka istorijaPaslėpti nežymius pakeitimus - Rodyti kodo pakeitimus 2025 sausio 30 d., 12:14
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Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
Suvestinė, Išsivertimai, Priėmimas, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida į:
Išsivertimai, Priėmimas, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida 2023 rugsėjo 19 d., 14:13
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Pridėtos 243-247 eilutės:
Santykiai santvarkos atžvilgiu
2021 rugsėjo 16 d., 14:20
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Santykis su santvarka
2021 birželio 04 d., 16:43
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2021 birželio 04 d., 16:20
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2021 gegužės 28 d., 22:28
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2021 gegužės 27 d., 15:03
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Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
Suvestinė, Išsivertimai, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida į:
Suvestinė, Išsivertimai, Priėmimas, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida 2021 balandžio 17 d., 16:26
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Užrašai
Liu Si Mo filosofijos brėžinys 4+6
2021 kovo 15 d., 15:26
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2021 kovo 06 d., 17:16
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Tad trejybės ratas santvarka sieja visus tris: Tėvą, Sūnų, Dvasią.
Dievas santvarką išgyvena apytaka, asmeniu, apimtimi. Jų trejopu pagrindu išgyvena santvarką besąlygiškai, nešališkai, nepaneigiamai, trejybės ratu.
Viskas ir visos sandaros išplaukia iš dvejybės, trejybės, ketverybės. O viskas susiveda į septynerybės tarpą tarp Dievo už mūsų ir Dievo mumyse, sąmonė ir pasąmonės, klausimo ir atsakymo, pirmos tvarkos ir antros tvarkos, savęs ir pasaulio. 2021 kovo 03 d., 22:32
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Pridėtos 94-100 eilutės:
These are the levels of structure that are necessary for us to experience structure. In that sense they are related to the Levels Of Understanding. We start with the widest and immerse ourselves into narrower scopes. These may be thought of as the RepresentationsOfEverything, in which case they do not degenerate, but are specified:
(I need to check on the order of the above). These representations result from considering spirit and structure as Equals and letting them manifest themselves as Unequals in four ways, yielding four representations (wishes). They are unequal in terms of the distance between themselves, from everything (spirit to spirit) to nothing (structure to structure). Alternatively, we may consider them as unequals, and let them manifest themselves equals, in which case we have two representations (scopes):Beginning and End, see: BeginningVEnd. 2021 kovo 03 d., 20:46
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Pridėtos 90-93 eilutės:
Santvarkos šeši kampai We may think of God as TheBeginning - the perspective from which everything unfolds - and human as TheEnd - the perspective into which everything comes together. Their relationship is, I think, that of Jesus Christ - the beginning and the end, the Alfa and the Omega (the A and Z), the coinciding of perfection ("Love God") and identity ("love your neighbor as yourself") - by which God's perspective and our perspective may coincide. This outline describes this relationship between The Beginning and The End as given by the unfolding of Understanding, Self-understanding, Share dUnderstanding and Good Understanding. 2021 vasario 26 d., 21:35
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Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
Suvestinė, Išsivertimai, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida į:
Suvestinė, Išsivertimai, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida 2021 vasario 22 d., 14:23
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Pakeista 30 eilutė iš:
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2021 vasario 22 d., 14:23
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Pridėta 30 eilutė:
2021 vasario 19 d., 21:45
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System IS definition.
Thus, God can stand alone. God needs no "self" because God is prior to any system. The nature of God is "to be one with", which upon definition means "to not be restricted by one's self". (God's self is "everything" and he goes beyond that.) God manifests his nature by going beyond himself, that is going from the unbounded into the bounded. He first goes beyond himself and thereby generates his "self" which is the "undefined" (and which later is thought of as "everything"). He then goes beyond himself further by allowing for a perspective beyond the "undefined", which is to say, where there is no "undefined", and yet even there he appears. That is the perspective of "definition" (which does not allow the undefined) and yet wherein the "undefined" arises as the "defined" (for the defined, as an outcome of definition, was ultimately undefined). This second perspective is thus the coexisting of opposites, "definition" and "defined":
At this point ("the second day of creation") human and world are not self-standing, they are understood as opposites that must be taken together, and more structure is needed to tease them apart. I'm just sharing my conclusion (with your help) that God, human, system (or the undefined, defined, definition) are (and should be) at the very root of how all things unfold. Pakeistos 60-61 eilutės iš
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Ištrinta 74 eilutė:
Pakeistos 88-97 eilutės iš
Santvarkos išsivystymas Save modeliuojanti sistema išvystys visko padalinimus (smegenų "global workspace") ir Bott periodiškumą. Santvarkos požiūris Human gradually takes up the thinking of the system that he finds himself in, until he can separate himself from it (by virtue of being loved). Human's view leads to a trinity of love (by way of the sixsome). į:
Santvarką išreiškia apytakos
Pakeistos 94-108 eilutės iš
A System is that which is its own Self. One's self is that by which one relates to others, that is, other selves. A System is thus a relationship amongst [Other others]. They are related by way of their [Self selves]. These selves are the participants of the system. The system is thus formal and takes the selves as the literal expression of the beings they refer to. The beings may be attached to the system by way of these selves, or they may be detached by way of views that allow for what may be beyond the system. The system does not acknowledge any inner activity within the participants except as it manifests itself with regard to others in the system (those things are which show themselves to be). Yet the participants may be able to allow for what may be beyond the system - Spirit, they may identify with that, and their identification may shape their participation, so that the primacy of that beyond the system is made evident, and therewith the contingency of the system. (Note that we should love God with All our heart, soul, mind, body, but we should only love our neighbor As our Self.) System, Definition System IS definition. Definition arises as system. That is why system is formal. That is why "a system is that which is its own self". For, as I noted, by defining we are observing and yet also creating. By defining, we equate what we refer to with what we refer by. In a system, formality IS reality. That is the ultimate problem with system: reality can be more than formality.
Thus, God can stand alone. God needs no "self" because God is prior to any system. The nature of God is "to be one with", which upon definition means "to not be restricted by one's self". (God's self is "everything" and he goes beyond that.) God manifests his nature by going beyond himself, that is going from the unbounded into the bounded. He first goes beyond himself and thereby generates his "self" which is the "undefined" (and which later is thought of as "everything"). He then goes beyond himself further by allowing for a perspective beyond the "undefined", which is to say, where there is no "undefined", and yet even there he appears. That is the perspective of "definition" (which does not allow the undefined) and yet wherein the "undefined" arises as the "defined" (for the defined, as an outcome of definition, was ultimately undefined). This second perspective is thus the coexisting of opposites, "definition" and "defined":
At this point ("the second day of creation") human and world are not self-standing, they are understood as opposites that must be taken together, and more structure is needed to tease them apart. I'm just sharing my conclusion (with your help) that God, human, system (or the undefined, defined, definition) are (and should be) at the very root of how all things unfold. į:
We should love God with All our heart, soul, mind, body, but we should only love our neighbor As our Self. 2021 vasario 19 d., 21:33
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Ištrintos 18-21 eilutės:
Pastebėjau, kad kiekvienoje santvarkoje, kiekvienoje sandaroje yra požiūris atstovaujantis tam, kas už santvarkos, kas už sandaros. Ko įmantresnė ta santvarka, to gilesnis tas požiūris. Pridėta 36 eilutė:
2021 vasario 19 d., 21:32
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Ištrintos 19-20 eilutės:
Santvarka išryškėja netroškimais, o prieš tai tėra sąlygos. Trokštame - Dievas mumyse - sutampame su juo. Netrokštame - Dievas už mūsų - nesutampame su juo. Pridėtos 36-39 eilutės:
Dievo ir žmogaus požiūrių išskyrimas
2021 vasario 19 d., 20:36
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Ištrintos 27-28 eilutės:
Santvarkos brėžinys išsako kokia santvarka yra be dvasios, be išgyventojo, be turinio. Tokia santvarka tuomi prieštarauja sau. Jinai tad subliukšta ir lieka prieštaravimas, Dievas. O šią santvarką galime suprasti kaip asmens būklę. Dievas kaip toks yra trijų matų nurodytame taške, nestabilumo taške. Asmenys apibrėžiami Dievui išeinant už savęs į save, jam įvairiais lygmenimis apibrėžiant santvarką. Be asmenų, tuščia santvarka yra simetriška, Dievo atvirumas trimis matais ir jo uždarumas trejybės ratu vienas kitam prilygsta. Tuo tarpu santvarką išgyvenantiems asmenims pirmenybė teiktina atvirajam Dievui už santvarkos. Užtat jais Dievas yra būtinas. Tuščioje santvarkoje Dievas yra nebūtinas, tačiau tokia santvarka subliūkšta ir prilygsta Dievui. Pakeistos 30-35 eilutės iš
Suvokimas - išskyrimas
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Sandaros palaikančios Dievo neišėjimo už savęs
Ištrintos 38-43 eilutės:
Santykių pagrindas
Ištrinta 40 eilutė:
Pridėtos 43-48 eilutės:
Suvokimas - išskyrimas
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Santykių pagrindas
2021 vasario 19 d., 20:00
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Apibrėžimo pagrindas Ištrintos 48-52 eilutės:
Kitos mintys...
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Santvarka
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Išryškina Dievo ir žmogaus santykį
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Ištrinta 56 eilutė:
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2021 vasario 19 d., 19:21
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Suvokimas - išskyrimas
Raiškos pasaulis.
Santykių pagrindas
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Kitos mintys...
2021 vasario 19 d., 18:42
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2021 vasario 17 d., 23:15
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Asmenys grindžia save (savo savastį) santvarka. Asmenys savęs atsisako už santvarkos ir save tvirtina santvarkoje:
O kaip suprasti išlikimą? Ryšium su Dievu besąlygiškai ar su savimi? 2021 vasario 17 d., 23:14
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Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida į:
Suvestinė, Išsivertimai, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida 2021 vasario 17 d., 23:13
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Pakeistos 54-59 eilutės iš
Human is God within a system. God is human beyond any system. So a system distinguishes between those within it and those beyond it. į:
2021 vasario 02 d., 22:43
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2021 vasario 02 d., 20:59
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Santvarkos brėžinys išsako kokia santvarka yra be dvasios, be išgyventojo, be turinio. Tokia santvarka tuomi prieštarauja sau. Jinai tad subliukšta ir lieka prieštaravimas, Dievas. O šią santvarką galime suprasti kaip asmens būklę. Dievas kaip toks yra trijų matų nurodytame taške, nestabilumo taške. Asmenys apibrėžiami Dievui išeinant už savęs į save, jam įvairiais lygmenimis apibrėžiant santvarką. Be asmenų, tuščia santvarka yra simetriška, Dievo atvirumas trimis matais ir jo uždarumas trejybės ratu vienas kitam prilygsta. Tuo tarpu santvarką išgyvenantiems asmenims pirmenybė teiktina atvirajam Dievui už santvarkos. Užtat jais Dievas yra būtinas. Tuščioje santvarkoje Dievas yra nebūtinas, tačiau tokia santvarka subliūkšta ir prilygsta Dievui. 2021 vasario 02 d., 20:54
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Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida į:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Vaizduotė, Santvarkų nagrinėjimas Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida 2021 vasario 02 d., 20:16
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Pakeista 174 eilutė iš:
Brėžinį sukūriau 2006.02.25. Juo įžvelgiau skirtumą tarp Dievo už santvarkos ir gerumo santvarkoje, taip pat keturis lygmenis. Tai išsako mano supratimą santvarkos, taip pat mano supratimą gyvenimo lygties. Jame yra keturios sąvokos: complete (dvasia), unobstructed (sandara), familiar (atvaizdas), unified (vieningumas). į:
Brėžinį sukūriau 2006.02.25. Juo įžvelgiau skirtumą tarp Dievo už santvarkos ir gerumo santvarkoje, taip pat keturis lygmenis. Tai išsako mano supratimą santvarkos, taip pat mano supratimą gyvenimo lygties. Tvarką grindžiu keturiomis sąvokomis: complete (dvasia), unobstructed (sandara), familiar (atvaizdas), unified (vieningumas). Taip pat šalia išrašiau aštuonis žodžius kuriais Alexander apibūdina neįvardijamą savybę. 2021 vasario 02 d., 20:14
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Pakeista 174 eilutė iš:
Brėžinį sukūriau 2006.02.25. Juo įžvelgiau skirtumą tarp Dievo už santvarkos ir gerumo santvarkoje, taip pat keturis lygmenis. Tai išsako mano supratimą santvarkos, taip pat mano supratimą gyvenimo lygties. į:
Brėžinį sukūriau 2006.02.25. Juo įžvelgiau skirtumą tarp Dievo už santvarkos ir gerumo santvarkoje, taip pat keturis lygmenis. Tai išsako mano supratimą santvarkos, taip pat mano supratimą gyvenimo lygties. Jame yra keturios sąvokos: complete (dvasia), unobstructed (sandara), familiar (atvaizdas), unified (vieningumas). 2021 vasario 02 d., 20:12
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Minčių raida Brėžinį sukūriau 2006.02.25. Juo įžvelgiau skirtumą tarp Dievo už santvarkos ir gerumo santvarkoje, taip pat keturis lygmenis. Tai išsako mano supratimą santvarkos, taip pat mano supratimą gyvenimo lygties. ![]() 2021 vasario 02 d., 19:50
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Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Minčių raida? į:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Raida 2021 vasario 02 d., 19:50
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Pakeista 3 eilutė iš:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger į:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger, Minčių raida? 2021 vasario 02 d., 19:47
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Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome į:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Martin Wurzinger Ištrintos 56-59 eilutės:
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===System's view=== 2021 vasario 02 d., 19:35
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Santvarkos išsivystymas Šiame puslapyje galėčiau išrašyti kaip santvarka išsivysto. Save modeliuojanti sistema išvystys visko padalinimus (smegenų "global workspace") ir Bott periodiškumą. į:
Pakeistos 26-28 eilutės iš
Kaip lietuviškai pasakyti "sistemą"? į:
Ištrintos 29-30 eilutės:
A system is: Pakeista 40 eilutė iš:
System į:
Santvarka Pakeistos 49-50 eilutės iš
===Relationships with regard to System=== į:
Santykiai ryšium su santvarka Pakeistos 53-108 eilutės iš
===Martin Wurzinger's theory of system=== MartinWurzinger: Firstly, what is a system? The name implies an identifiable Structure as well as a Dynamic. In other words, a 'system' expresses a certain formality while at the same time going through its paces - it 'does something'. The formality is needed because without it we would not be able to label it one way or another, and the 'doing' tells us something about its behaviour. The two are interdependent; the behaviour is classifiable within the terms of its structure, and the structure portrays an ongoing scenario we can follow according to the format we were able to identify. Andrius: Compare with Christopher Alexander's idea that recurring Activity evokes structure, and structure channels Activity, which I am thinking of as an [AddTwo operation +2] that adds two perspectives to a structure, namely activity and non-activity from which it arises smoothly. ===System - Martin Wurzinger=== MartinWurzinger, [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livingbytruth/message/547 February 11, 2006]: Thank you Andrius for the interesting letter to Chris Langan's conference regarding CTMU and [EternalLife life after death]. A number of issues have been raised there that at times seem to approach the nature of definition. In that light may I offer a focus that treats those concepts as systems per se (and not more - but certainly not less). For the full details of where I'm coming from see the material on the nature of Mind on [http://members.optusnet.com.au/mwurzinger48 my website]. I would also cite it as a way of introducing myself to the group. So, here goes! Firstly, what is a system? The name implies an identifiable Structure as well as a Dynamic. In other words, a 'system' expresses a certain formality while at the same time going through its paces - it 'does something'. The formality is needed because without it we would not be able to label it one way or another, and the 'doing' tells us something about its behaviour. The two are interdependent; the behaviour is classifiable within the terms of its structure, and the structure portrays an ongoing scenario we can follow according to the format we were able to identify. Andrius: Compare with Christopher Alexander's idea that recurring Activity evokes structure, and structure channels Activity, which I am thinking of as an [AddTwo operation +2] that adds two perspectives to a structure, namely activity and non-activity from which it arises smoothly. So far the situation might almost seem trivial, but consider: as we observe such a system, we, the Observer, represent a system in its own right and subject to the same definition we have just applied. For the two to work together (ie, we observe something which has meaning to us) the Pattern unfolding before us must in some way find its re-representation in our own minds, otherwise there would be no meaning. This wouldn't require the Observed system to be meaningless in itself, it simply (?) says the system would have no meaning for us. Andrius: I am grappling with the relationship between Observer and Observed in my Overview of knowing everything. To have a format entails expectability. But to what extent? In principle there are two options. Either we apply our pre-knowledge about certain objects, in which case another object (meant quite literally) outside the existing format forces us to re-interpret our erstwhile definition of the system. Or, we consider the scenario in terms of functionality, in which case the options multiply (for example, if a coffee table is replaced by a baroque table we need to reconsider, but if we understand the things as 'table' first and foremost then what particular type of table is being presented becomes immaterial - they are all meaningful). Andrius: I think that EmotionalResponses are driven by Expectations and I write about this in my page on EverythingWishesForAnything. Our minds are very good at PatternRecognition. A pattern is a format, and paring away the specific detail we arrive at the object's Abstraction, which is another way of saying we have recognised its underlying functionality. By the way, these kind of thought process can be traced in history; Thomas Aquinas for instance not only discusses proportion but moves on to proportionality, something an Aristotle didn't do! That next higher level of abstraction allows him to speculate about human nature far more powerfully than was hitherto the case. Returning to the observer and the observed, we can say therefore that a given pattern only then becomes Meaningful to us if our Minds are capable of abstracting to a sufficient degree. The problem then becomes - what is 'sufficient'? Even a table can be abstracted further, take the geological formation known as mesa for example. A mesa is not really a 'platform to put things on', but the semantic link is obvious. Further abstractions are possible if the system possesses a high enough degree of complexity (such as the mind of Thomas Aquinas), but does not go further than that degree allows (compare Aquinas with the writings of Sartre for example). Since we are dealing with systems, the same can be said about the other side, the observed. And here we come to the crux of the matter. Any given system consists of its ObjectRelatedContent as well as its [Latency abstractive potential], the former being more limited than the latter as we have seen. Again, this goes for the observer as well as the observed. However, since the system is defined as a 'system' in terms of its Boundaries as they are convenient for the purpose of the current definition, the potential can be raised by extending its boundaries. We still have our system, but now it represents a subsystem within the set of added functionalities. Naturally, we can apply the same process once again and widen our reference further still. Continuing along that line we come to a point at which our own interpretative capacity (remember, we are the observer) reaches a limit. This limit is reached as soon as our own abstractive potential becomes incongruent in relation to the framework of what we are trying to observe. The observed system doesn't care - it is us who falter and take recourse to SemanticBridges in our attempts at reconciling the outside with what our minds are capable of expressing. I would suggest that concepts such as 'God', 'Truth' (note the capital T), 'Good' and 'Evil' (likewise) are such semantic bridges. I suspect this is where Andrius' "God seeks ALL good" comes in (but correct me if I'm wrong). After all, we don't really know what 'good' ultimately means because the all-encompassing system of Life contains abstraction potentials far in excess of what we can make of it with our current understanding. I say 'current' because as we come across events which represent instantiated examples of our abstractions our reference system has been extended and our knowledge base has now expanded. The scientific approach of moving from hypothesis to theory and on to established fact follows that line. The abstractive potential can be termed Latency. It is the inherent latency of any given system that gives rise to its Unfolding, whether such a system happens to be our Mind, an evolving Organism, an EcoSystem, indeed the Universe. Yet a potential is not completely open-ended. It needs the moment-by-moment Instantiation for the following phase to occur (which means I cannot discourse about Aquinas if I haven't learned how to read, I cannot abstract 'table' if I don't know about platforms, or plants and animals cannot exist unless and until something like a solar system has come into being). And yet... would the latency as we know as of today have existed at the time the universe settled itself into star clusters? We can trace the developmental process from our vantage point, but would a galaxy somehow Know about organic compounds? There is a possible answer, and it touches on what I call Affinities. For the time being I would be interested in what others have to say about this so far. The relevance to Andrius' letter lies in the ideas he presents in the context of the Bounded system defined as SelfStanding; to apply "thinking as human" by positing an Anthropomorphic system; talking about Chicago, Bangalore etc as specific subsystems; and asking [Foursome Whether? What? How? Why?] as an application of abstraction processes, and residing within one's own mind at that. į:
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Pakeistos 3-4 eilutės iš
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction į:
Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Priėjimai prie visumos, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction, Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome Pakeista 37 eilutė iš:
į:
Pakeistos 53-54 eilutės iš
{{Human}} is {{God}} within a system. {{God}} is {{human}} beyond any system. So a system distinguishes between those within it and those beyond it. į:
Human is God within a system. God is human beyond any system. So a system distinguishes between those within it and those beyond it. Pakeista 57 eilutė iš:
MartinWurzinger: Firstly, what is a system? The name implies an identifiable {{Structure}} as well as a {{Dynamic}}. In other words, a 'system' expresses a certain formality while at the same time going through its paces - it 'does something'. The į:
MartinWurzinger: Firstly, what is a system? The name implies an identifiable Structure as well as a Dynamic. In other words, a 'system' expresses a certain formality while at the same time going through its paces - it 'does something'. The Pakeistos 60-61 eilutės iš
{{Andrius}}: Compare with Christopher Alexander's idea that recurring {{Activity}} evokes structure, and structure channels {{Activity}}, which I am thinking of as an [AddTwo operation +2] that adds two perspectives to a structure, namely activity and non-activity from which it arises smoothly. į:
Andrius: Compare with Christopher Alexander's idea that recurring Activity evokes structure, and structure channels Activity, which I am thinking of as an [AddTwo operation +2] that adds two perspectives to a structure, namely activity and non-activity from which it arises smoothly. Pakeistos 65-66 eilutės iš
coming from see the material on the nature of {{Mind}} on [http://members.optusnet.com.au/mwurzinger48 my website]. I would also cite it as a way of introducing myself to the group. į:
coming from see the material on the nature of Mind on [http://members.optusnet.com.au/mwurzinger48 my website]. I would also cite it as a way of introducing myself to the group. Pakeista 69 eilutė iš:
Firstly, what is a system? The name implies an identifiable {{Structure}} as well as a {{Dynamic}}. In other words, a 'system' expresses a certain formality while at the same time going through its paces - it 'does something'. The į:
Firstly, what is a system? The name implies an identifiable Structure as well as a Dynamic. In other words, a 'system' expresses a certain formality while at the same time going through its paces - it 'does something'. The Pakeistos 72-77 eilutės iš
{{Andrius}}: Compare with Christopher Alexander's idea that recurring {{Activity}} evokes structure, and structure channels {{Activity}}, which I am thinking of as an [AddTwo operation +2] that adds two perspectives to a structure, namely activity and non-activity from which it arises smoothly. So far the situation might almost seem trivial, but consider: as we observe such a system, we, the {{Observer}}, represent a system in its own right and subject to the same definition we have just applied. For the two to work together (ie, we observe something which has meaning to us) the {{Pattern}} unfolding before us must in some way find its re-representation in our own minds, otherwise there would be no meaning. This wouldn't require the {{Observed}} system to be meaningless in itself, it simply (?) says the system would have no meaning for us. {{Andrius}}: I am grappling with the relationship between {{Observer}} and {{Observed}} in my {{Overview}} of knowing everything. į:
Andrius: Compare with Christopher Alexander's idea that recurring Activity evokes structure, and structure channels Activity, which I am thinking of as an [AddTwo operation +2] that adds two perspectives to a structure, namely activity and non-activity from which it arises smoothly. So far the situation might almost seem trivial, but consider: as we observe such a system, we, the Observer, represent a system in its own right and subject to the same definition we have just applied. For the two to work together (ie, we observe something which has meaning to us) the Pattern unfolding before us must in some way find its re-representation in our own minds, otherwise there would be no meaning. This wouldn't require the Observed system to be meaningless in itself, it simply (?) says the system would have no meaning for us. Andrius: I am grappling with the relationship between Observer and Observed in my Overview of knowing everything. Pakeistos 82-86 eilutės iš
{{Andrius}}: I think that EmotionalResponses are driven by {{Expectations}} and I write about this in my page on EverythingWishesForAnything. Our minds are very good at PatternRecognition. A pattern is a format, and paring away the specific detail we arrive at the object's {{Abstraction}}, which is another way of saying we have recognised its underlying functionality. By the way, these kind of thought process can be traced in history; Thomas Aquinas for instance not only discusses proportion but moves on to proportionality, something an Aristotle didn't do! That next higher level of abstraction allows him to speculate about human nature far more powerfully than was hitherto the case. Returning to the observer and the observed, we can say therefore that a given pattern only then becomes {{Meaningful}} to us if our {{Minds}} are capable of abstracting to a sufficient degree. The problem then becomes - what is į:
Andrius: I think that EmotionalResponses are driven by Expectations and I write about this in my page on EverythingWishesForAnything. Our minds are very good at PatternRecognition. A pattern is a format, and paring away the specific detail we arrive at the object's Abstraction, which is another way of saying we have recognised its underlying functionality. By the way, these kind of thought process can be traced in history; Thomas Aquinas for instance not only discusses proportion but moves on to proportionality, something an Aristotle didn't do! That next higher level of abstraction allows him to speculate about human nature far more powerfully than was hitherto the case. Returning to the observer and the observed, we can say therefore that a given pattern only then becomes Meaningful to us if our Minds are capable of abstracting to a sufficient degree. The problem then becomes - what is Pakeistos 93-94 eilutės iš
And here we come to the crux of the matter. Any given system consists of its ObjectRelatedContent as well as its [{{Latency}} abstractive potential], the former being more limited than the latter as we have seen. Again, this goes for the observer as well as the observed. However, since the system is defined as a 'system' in terms of its {{Boundaries}} as they are convenient for the į:
And here we come to the crux of the matter. Any given system consists of its ObjectRelatedContent as well as its [Latency abstractive potential], the former being more limited than the latter as we have seen. Again, this goes for the observer as well as the observed. However, since the system is defined as a 'system' in terms of its Boundaries as they are convenient for the Pakeistos 104-107 eilutės iš
The abstractive potential can be termed {{Latency}}. It is the inherent latency of any given system that gives rise to its {{Unfolding}}, whether such a system happens to be our {{Mind}}, an evolving {{Organism}}, an EcoSystem, indeed the {{Universe}}. Yet a potential is not completely open-ended. It needs the moment-by-moment {{Instantiation}} for the following phase to occur (which means I cannot discourse about Aquinas if I haven't learned how to read, I cannot abstract 'table' if I don't know about platforms, or plants and animals cannot exist unless and until something like a solar system has come into being). And yet... would the latency as we know as of today have existed at the time the universe settled itself into star clusters? We can trace the developmental process from our vantage point, but would a galaxy somehow {{Know}} about organic compounds? There is a possible answer, and it touches on what I call {{Affinities}}. į:
The abstractive potential can be termed Latency. It is the inherent latency of any given system that gives rise to its Unfolding, whether such a system happens to be our Mind, an evolving Organism, an EcoSystem, indeed the Universe. Yet a potential is not completely open-ended. It needs the moment-by-moment Instantiation for the following phase to occur (which means I cannot discourse about Aquinas if I haven't learned how to read, I cannot abstract 'table' if I don't know about platforms, or plants and animals cannot exist unless and until something like a solar system has come into being). And yet... would the latency as we know as of today have existed at the time the universe settled itself into star clusters? We can trace the developmental process from our vantage point, but would a galaxy somehow Know about organic compounds? There is a possible answer, and it touches on what I call Affinities. Pakeistos 110-111 eilutės iš
The relevance to Andrius' letter lies in the ideas he presents in the context of the {{Bounded}} system defined as SelfStanding; to apply "thinking as human" by positing an {{Anthropomorphic}} system; talking about Chicago, Bangalore etc as specific subsystems; and asking [{{Foursome}} Whether? What? How? Why?] as an application of abstraction processes, and residing within one's own mind at that. į:
The relevance to Andrius' letter lies in the ideas he presents in the context of the Bounded system defined as SelfStanding; to apply "thinking as human" by positing an Anthropomorphic system; talking about Chicago, Bangalore etc as specific subsystems; and asking [Foursome Whether? What? How? Why?] as an application of abstraction processes, and residing within one's own mind at that. Pakeistos 120-123 eilutės iš
{{System}}, {{Self}}, {{Other}} A {{System}} is that which is its own {{Self}}. One's self is that by which one relates to others, that is, other selves. A {{System}} is thus a relationship amongst [{{Other}} others]. They are related by way of their [{{Self}} selves]. These selves are the participants of the system. The system is thus formal and takes the selves as the literal expression of the beings they refer to. The beings may be attached to the system by way of these selves, or they may be detached by way of views that allow for what may be beyond the system. The system does not acknowledge any inner activity within the participants except as it manifests itself with regard to others in the system (those things are which show themselves to be). Yet the participants may be able to allow for what may be beyond the system - {{Spirit}}, they may identify with that, and their identification may shape their participation, so that the primacy of that beyond the system is made evident, and therewith the contingency of the system. į:
System, Self, Other A System is that which is its own Self. One's self is that by which one relates to others, that is, other selves. A System is thus a relationship amongst [Other others]. They are related by way of their [Self selves]. These selves are the participants of the system. The system is thus formal and takes the selves as the literal expression of the beings they refer to. The beings may be attached to the system by way of these selves, or they may be detached by way of views that allow for what may be beyond the system. The system does not acknowledge any inner activity within the participants except as it manifests itself with regard to others in the system (those things are which show themselves to be). Yet the participants may be able to allow for what may be beyond the system - Spirit, they may identify with that, and their identification may shape their participation, so that the primacy of that beyond the system is made evident, and therewith the contingency of the system. Pakeistos 126-127 eilutės iš
{{System}}, {{Definition}} į:
System, Definition Pakeistos 138-139 eilutės iš
{{Unfolding}} į:
Unfolding Pakeistos 145-152 eilutės iš
{{Life}}, {{Love}} The system has {{Life}}, but the system does not have {{Love}}, which is the support of life. Love is from beyond the system. In order to support life, and have love, one needs to separate love from freedom, which is to say, identify love within the will, but this then separates what is beyond the system from what is within it. System conflates unity and completeness. System arises as an alternative to God which God allows for. It is that which was beyond God and which he ever goes into. As such the system presents itself to human (to God within itself) as primary. The system is not "one with" but rather distinguishes itself from its participants, in that it is its own self, whereas they are not it, except by way of their selves, and dismisses that which their selves might refer to outside of the system. Humans are generally attached to self. The system allows for human (who is by his nature one with) only as an expression of such a relationship within the system, where the system wishes that the unity within the system and the unity beyond the system be conflated. But God enters into the system as unity (and {{Love}}) which is distinct from freedom thus allowing human to have a will and distinguish themselves from God's will. Love lets a human separate the components of his will - love and freedom - and prefer love - and thus keep the components separate. Thus a human is able to acknowledge God as distinct from himself, and ultimately to prefer God over himself, thus separating God beyond system and good within system, and being one with God. I want to think about the role of Jesus Christ (through human by way of good will) and the Holy Spirit (through human by way of wisdom). {{Self}}, {{View}} Our {{Self}} is that by which we are attached to this system, and presume ourselves in it. Our {{View}} is that by which we are detached from this system, and allow for what is beyond it. We attach ourselves by conflating one's being within a system and one's being beyond it. We detach ourselves by separating one's being within a system from one's being beyond it. į:
Life, Love The system has Life, but the system does not have Love, which is the support of life. Love is from beyond the system. In order to support life, and have love, one needs to separate love from freedom, which is to say, identify love within the will, but this then separates what is beyond the system from what is within it. System conflates unity and completeness. System arises as an alternative to God which God allows for. It is that which was beyond God and which he ever goes into. As such the system presents itself to human (to God within itself) as primary. The system is not "one with" but rather distinguishes itself from its participants, in that it is its own self, whereas they are not it, except by way of their selves, and dismisses that which their selves might refer to outside of the system. Humans are generally attached to self. The system allows for human (who is by his nature one with) only as an expression of such a relationship within the system, where the system wishes that the unity within the system and the unity beyond the system be conflated. But God enters into the system as unity (and Love) which is distinct from freedom thus allowing human to have a will and distinguish themselves from God's will. Love lets a human separate the components of his will - love and freedom - and prefer love - and thus keep the components separate. Thus a human is able to acknowledge God as distinct from himself, and ultimately to prefer God over himself, thus separating God beyond system and good within system, and being one with God. I want to think about the role of Jesus Christ (through human by way of good will) and the Holy Spirit (through human by way of wisdom). Self, View Our Self is that by which we are attached to this system, and presume ourselves in it. Our View is that by which we are detached from this system, and allow for what is beyond it. We attach ourselves by conflating one's being within a system and one's being beyond it. We detach ourselves by separating one's being within a system from one's being beyond it. Pakeistos 157-158 eilutės iš
{{Participants}} į:
Participants Pakeistos 217-218 eilutės iš
This is to say that human is a LostChild. Human is in God's situation but does not yet know that he is God. In this, he is a child of God, and as such, ultimately God, who grows to all of God by coinciding with God, by allowing for God beyond the system, and defering to him. God supports this growth by entering the system as the external ground for the essence of the system (increasingly focused as {{Structure}}, {{Representation}}, {{Unity}}), hence as a unity, hence as love, which is how the system is able to relate beyond itself, for in being loved it enjoys the unity by which and through which it may likewise love by making the path to that unity available to others further and further out, ultimately to God. Love fosters life by being that unity which serves as the reference point that makes possible life's unity (the will) which defines itself in terms of it, as the focus of perfect love. {{Love}} is a {{Unity}} (God's unity - which is in this world) deep inside of us that we revolve around, (the collapsing point and the object of the {{Omniscope}}) and we can therefore likewise point others to it when we identify not with our self in this system, but with our (shared) view upon this point, and ultimately with God (and our enemy). This point of (God's) unity which we may share is how we are able to identify with each other, and even so, how we ourselves are able to be ourselves most intensely (our {{Will}} is {{Perfection}} by {{Love}}), and by identifying further and further out, we manifest ourselves most fully. JesusChrist, as he describes himself with his "I am..." statements?, is a bridge between (and coinciding of) human's view within the system ({{Life}} is the goodness of God) and God's view beyond the system (EternalLife is {{Understanding}} the goodness of God, thus holding the two separate). (As in: I am the resurrection and the life, I am the true vine, and so on.) Human grows in understanding by allowing for (the possibility of) God within the system ever more intimately, being open to ever more focused life and love, so that human has the maturity of the lost child who goes where his parent will look for him, which is to say, in the depths of the system, hence in unity. He then accepts the centrality of God and steps with him more and more beyond the system. In this way he roots his BeingOneWith with his {{View}} (which may coincide with God's) rather than with his {{Self}} (which is of the system). Inside the system we shift from identifying ourselves with everything (or anything or something) to ultimately identifying ourselves with slack - so that we ground ourselves less and less within this system, and more with God beyond it. Thus we shift from orienting ourselves around the negation of the representations of the onesome (and the properties of everything) to the negation of the representations of the nullsome (and the properties of God). į:
This is to say that human is a LostChild. Human is in God's situation but does not yet know that he is God. In this, he is a child of God, and as such, ultimately God, who grows to all of God by coinciding with God, by allowing for God beyond the system, and defering to him. God supports this growth by entering the system as the external ground for the essence of the system (increasingly focused as Structure, Representation, Unity), hence as a unity, hence as love, which is how the system is able to relate beyond itself, for in being loved it enjoys the unity by which and through which it may likewise love by making the path to that unity available to others further and further out, ultimately to God. Love fosters life by being that unity which serves as the reference point that makes possible life's unity (the will) which defines itself in terms of it, as the focus of perfect love. Love is a Unity (God's unity - which is in this world) deep inside of us that we revolve around, (the collapsing point and the object of the Omniscope) and we can therefore likewise point others to it when we identify not with our self in this system, but with our (shared) view upon this point, and ultimately with God (and our enemy). This point of (God's) unity which we may share is how we are able to identify with each other, and even so, how we ourselves are able to be ourselves most intensely (our Will is Perfection by Love), and by identifying further and further out, we manifest ourselves most fully. JesusChrist, as he describes himself with his "I am..." statements?, is a bridge between (and coinciding of) human's view within the system (Life is the goodness of God) and God's view beyond the system (EternalLife is Understanding the goodness of God, thus holding the two separate). (As in: I am the resurrection and the life, I am the true vine, and so on.) Human grows in understanding by allowing for (the possibility of) God within the system ever more intimately, being open to ever more focused life and love, so that human has the maturity of the lost child who goes where his parent will look for him, which is to say, in the depths of the system, hence in unity. He then accepts the centrality of God and steps with him more and more beyond the system. In this way he roots his BeingOneWith with his View (which may coincide with God's) rather than with his Self (which is of the system). Inside the system we shift from identifying ourselves with everything (or anything or something) to ultimately identifying ourselves with slack - so that we ground ourselves less and less within this system, and more with God beyond it. Thus we shift from orienting ourselves around the negation of the representations of the onesome (and the properties of everything) to the negation of the representations of the nullsome (and the properties of God). Ištrintos 222-223 eilutės:
See also: Negation, Activity, Structure, RepresentationOfTheNullsome, Overview 2021 vasario 02 d., 19:27
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Suvestinė, Dievas, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction į:
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System išryškėja netroškimais, o prieš tai tėra sąlygos. Trokštame - Dievas mumyse - sutampame su juo. Netrokštame - Dievas už mūsų - nesutampame su juo. į:
Žr. Suvedimas?, Žemėlapynas, Santykiai, Savastis, Ir du, Kitas, Dvasia, Distinction, Indistinction Santvarka išryškėja netroškimais, o prieš tai tėra sąlygos. Trokštame - Dievas mumyse - sutampame su juo. Netrokštame - Dievas už mūsų - nesutampame su juo. Pakeistos 9-11 eilutės iš
See also: {{Overview}}, Spirit, Distinction, Indistinction, [AddTwo +2], {{Self}}, {{Other}}, {{Relationship}}, Structure ===What is a system?=== į:
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